Curse

Ollj · Jun 10, 2005, 01:56 AM // 01:56

I run with starter armor as level 12 trough the deserts.
None of my characters is fully infused.
I rarely have any runes on anything.

Im just a Mesmer that kills a lot of elementarists and monks, their runes cost 5-10 times as much as mine, and I dont use them.

When i search a team with the agrument that brainpower is more important than the Level of a character, the equipment or the ammount of healers and Air-eles in the team, i get soooo insulted.

Xellos · Jun 10, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

Final exams probalby took a toll for player base.

masterofkenpo · Jun 10, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

Oh no, PUGs are evolving. Run for the hills.

And you're missing my point. If you had played it well, you would have lasted longer than a single round.

Hey Jasper, how about you be happy for the guy and not spout stupid comments saying, "oh if you were any good you would hold it for like 5 billion times!!1!!!"

I am happy for him for having that experience. Maybe you will get into a guild that does PvP a lot and will hold it many times over.

Xellos · Jun 10, 2005, 04:12 AM // 04:12

The point is not to rain on his parade, rather make him realize that luck had alot to do with his victory, and that advertising PUGs winning HoH if most of the competitive teams come back would be silly. But then again, if this doesn't get any better, henchmen are going to reign supreme in tombs. The competition is simply lacking.

Mistress Eyahl · Jun 10, 2005, 04:27 AM // 04:27

I was going to say "Don't rain on his parade" but then I realised, if you're going to start a thread about yourself, then be prepared to take all the critisism...

ManadartheHealer · Jun 10, 2005, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

I was going to say "Don't rain on his parade" but then I realised, if you're going to start a thread about yourself, then be prepared to take all the critisism...

If you want to interact with any people, be prepared to take criticism

Mistress Eyahl · Jun 10, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

If you want to interact with any people, be prepared to take criticism

... I can't work out whether you're "For" or "Against" my post, M... wtf is with that smilie!?

ManadartheHealer · Jun 10, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

... I can't work out whether you're "For" or "Against" my post, M... wtf is with that smilie!?

For your post... not sure about the smilie myself...

Mistress Eyahl · Jun 10, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

For your post... not sure about the smilie myself...

Um, okay to keep within the rules of this forum I aint gonna make a post asking what you mean by that last post, so I'll ingrain it into a post about guild wars.

Ahem.. *clears throat*

I *I'm* have never *confused* been to *by your* the *last post* Hall of Heros

ManadartheHealer · Jun 10, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

Um, okay to keep within the rules of this forum I aint gonna make a post asking what you mean by that last post, so I'll ingrain it into a post about guild wars.

Ahem.. *clears throat*

I *I'm* have never *confused* been to *by your* the *last post* Hall of Heros

Sorry, it's late (at night)

I meant I agree with you post (whichever my other post was referring to), and I have no clue how that smilie snuck in there.

Zubey · Jun 10, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Grats to the OP. It ain't easy for a true PUG to take the HoH.

mostro · Jun 10, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Congrats for winning the HoH.

And people should never underestimate PuGs when you see one on the HoH. Sure they may just get lucky and got there on their second battle or whatever, but more often than not they may actually be a good team that earned their way there. Our guild made this mistake a while back. It was a 3-way fight between us (holding the HoH), a high ranked guild in the BWE, and a PuG. We figured that the other guild was a much bigger threat than the PuG so we plan to engage them first. So all of us waited until the 2 min mark and then we and the other guild proceeded to wipe each other out while this PuG stay in the back and managed to kill our ghost and sneak in theirs in the last 15 second. We managed to kill their ghost but ours (and the other guild's too) had been dead so they won. LoL.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 10, 2005, 02:33 PM // 14:33

congrats, although its expected with that Mo heavy party...

Dralon · Jun 10, 2005, 02:54 PM // 14:54

What I notice about that team, Not a single "support" class. Monks, warriors, and elementalists only for the HOH, eh?

Soda Popinski · Jun 10, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Congrats on the win.

Still, there's nothing to argue about really. You can't draw a conclusion, either negative or positive, about the effectiveness of PUGs to take and hold HoH based on 1 win by a PUG. All it shows is that is possible to win HoH with a PUG, but not that everyone can do it or that it was won because of skill and not luck or vice versa.

Mormegil · Jun 10, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

I was going to say "Don't rain on his parade" but then I realised, if you're going to start a thread about yourself, then be prepared to take all the critisism...

This thread is not about myself, my only objective is to show people what happens if they find a good group and play cleverly as a team. I didn't boost my skills, I even said that I'm far from experienced as a monk.

Surprisingly, right after I posted this thread, I found another very good PUG. Sheer luck? Maybe. No ranked Guilds whatsoever in our party, but this time we had ventrilo and discussed about our skills for about 30-40 minutes. When we entered the Tomb, expectations were high. Too bad we were beaten in the first two matches because of some issues with our skill combos. We changed our builds a little bit and tried again. We made our way to the HoH taking out many good PUGs and a couple of high ranked Guilds. Needless to say, I was surprised again. We eventually entered the HoH and took it from Koreans. Then we held it. We held it 5 times in a row, against some of the well known ranked Guilds (mostly ranked 1-100). Apparently, our build worked (notice: two of us had premade chars ). In the end, we were beaten by the Treacherous Empire, 6th in the ladder and absolutely astonishing in play. They were nearly perfect. We could hold our ground but eventually got beaten: one could distinguish the difference in perfect timing (and pure skill) between us and then. They really moved as a whole: I don't know if their build was superior to ours on papers...what I know is that they were on another planet for team-play.

I've obviously taken a load of screenshots again in case annoying and negative people (sooo many wander around these forums, posting things like "hey, nothing great, my Uber Guild can hold it for 8 hours in a row with Henchies") don't believe me. I'm now totally convinced PUGs can hold the HoH if well organized, not only against simple parties but also against pro Guilds in some cases.

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Originally Posted by Sarus

First of all congralutations on your win. It's always nice to hear of real PUG's getting to the hall and holding it (as long as they didn't take it from us hehe )

Thank you, it's a pleasure to receive congratulations from someone competent in PvP.

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Originally Posted by Sarus

Also, since the title of the post is "How my casual team held HoH..." maybe you could give some tips on what you did to win. Or even simpler just say what you felt your team did to be successful. I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated by all the PvP newcomers out there looking for a taste of success in tombs.

I don't think I could teach anyone anything, so I'm not in the position to give hints or suggest strategies. Besides, if I were so skilled to actually be in that position, then I wouldn't.

I'll just remark the general good things to do, in my humble and not-to-be-taken-as-gold opinion.As I said above, discussing about what skills to choose and possible combos, or about how to move, was not wasted time to me. We waited more than 30 minutes before entering the Tombs, but it was definitely worth it. While we played, we knew perfectly when we had to body-block them or to create a little bottleneck to make the opposing party less effective. We were constantly informed of each other's conditions and level of mana/hp. We timed the attacks and fell back to recharge and regroup everytime a strategy wasn't successful. We didn't make major mistakes and could exploit our builds, of that I'm pretty sure.

It felt like playing chess.

I hope this can help well built PUGs not to lose hope.

Taphoo · Jun 10, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Glad to hear you were able to win with a PUG! The naysayers are just scared that there may be non-guild competition out there

Now I may actually try out the HoH (if I ever find it, that is....)

Taphoo

Cymboric Treewalker · Jun 10, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

As a PUG, your perspective is skewed and what you were up against actually was little competition. If it had been worthwhile, you'd have died (faster than you did already).

And that that you keep trying to make this into some glorious Braveheart epic when in fact holding HoH for one round is laughable only speaks further to your lack of experience.

You exhibit Hubris.

Why do you assume that he faced no competition? Is the guild he said they defeated no good?

Or do you simply build yourself up by tearing others down?

Cymboric Treewalker · Jun 10, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

Oh no, PUGs are evolving. Run for the hills.

And you're missing my point. If you had played it well, you would have lasted longer than a single round.

No, you are missing the point... they WON.

That is what the original poster said... he was just making the point that it IS possible.

Damn get off your high and mighty horse you pompus piece of .....

Cymboric Treewalker · Jun 10, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Tutompop

Long story short, don't post how the game might actually play as advertised in a certain situation which may equate to fun. Since there have been a thousand other situations where this probably would not have worked because of this odd reason and this rarely used but incredibly specific build because everybody MUST win all the time or its not worth having fun. The Koreans must be defeated and the Europeans have to shine our shoes.

For God's sake the guy had fun with a sub-par non-optimized pug that won and he was pointing out that it is possible. I know all of the "this game sucks because of this reason" crowd knows it's possible but you fruitloops only post about the flaws in the game. One guy makes a post with a POSITIVE light for those of us that haven't been fortunate enough and all you can say is you suck, you got lucky or this is so uncommon its not worth mentioning. I for one thank this average joe for taking the time to post his positive experience since it is all too common to only make a post when you dislike something and feel like you can't do jack about it. The rest of us fix it or move on and enjoy the game! /dismount soap box.

woot!!

Well said.